"Do they (the Biden campaign) need to do it in a bigger way? What did you just call it 'the President's daily clown show'? That's his press briefing? Should Joe Biden be counter programming that? Should he be creating his own shadow government, shadow cabinet, shadow SWAT team? And gearing up there at a podium every night saying here's the crisis we're in, here's what we need to do to address this," Rule said in her interview with former Obama White House Deputy Chief of Staff Jim Messina.

Messina, as Ruhle implied, did earlier in the interview call the President's daily briefings a 'clown show' and suggested that "real upstanding leaders" like former President Barack Obama and Senator Elizabeth Warren endorsing Biden and his message "is a contrast that the Biden campaign is gonna bank on going forward."