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2007-04-11 01:20
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Entered by: Fascist Nation
Very nice.
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2007-04-10 08:44
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Entered by: Alice Lillie
Hooray for "Dr. Evil!!"

He is really good, one of the best things we have going for us.

As someone who believes in a free will, I endorse what he is doing. As a libertarian who wants government out of my hair, I also endorse what he's doing.

I really don't think he is really pandering to big business, as big business is as opposed to freedom as the pro-government crowd is.

Alice Lillie

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2007-04-09 08:20
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Entered by: Philly Dave
Ernie,

Link to Archives is broke. Should be http://www.ernesthancock.com/archive/

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2007-04-09 05:45
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Entered by: Philly Dave
I will say upfront that I am one who views "some" government as a neccessary evil... I will agree it is usually more evil than neccessary, but I am of the belief that even in the most utopian of anarcho capitalist societies governence will emerge. Whether tribal war lords, local assemblies or corporate alliances. Human nature seems to be such that leaders, tyrannical or otherwise will always emerge to satisfy the need of the people to be defended from threats real or imagined.

Once this is accepted the challange it would seem is to maintain the minimal neccessary government to prevent the emergence of, or takeover by, other more intrusive potential governments.

History and human nature seems to suggest that it is the nature of collective governments to grow in power and scope. Thus we undertake the often futile effort to hold back the growth of the state.

As for the debate, it begins by rulling out arguing the merits of individual sovreignty. As Jasons states in his opening:

"Your argument, and apparently the Austrian position in general, is not that humans possess a large set of natural rights, but simply that government always destroys wealth when it intervenes, whether in people's private lives or in the broader marketplace. It is this utilitarian argument for libertarianism that I believe is unprovable and almost certainly incorrect."

While I disagree with Jason that the utilitarian argument is "certainly incorrect", I believe this argument is secondary to the fact that individuals DO in fact posess natural rights. Thus whether some particular state meddling in private matters (such as seat belts) can be proven to have made a statistical impact that some, most or all people value as positive, it is still violating the right of the individual to make the decision to use or not use a seat belt as they see fit.

If we accept the notion that perceived "performance" of state initiatives (based on some value judgement and cost benefit analysis) is the primary determination, we then inplicitly accept that there are no limits to where or how far the state can go. All intervention into the personal lives of citizens can be justified with the right statistics and value judgements.

While I have opinions on the detailed merits or lack thereof regarding the War on Drugs and seatbelt laws, I feel commenting on those now would detract from the point I have attempted to make.

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11-28-2005
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2007-04-09 04:42
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Entered by: McElchap
Amen! Molyneux is right on target and crystal clear. Americans, for the most part, are in denial about the immoral nature of the system they are enmeshed in. Even seemingly decent Christians e who strive to be godly, honest, constructive and compassionate people have yielded unto Caesar what rightfully belongs to God in blind obedience to the state. Government is nothing but organized crime at it's zenith, a powerful instrument for theft and murder made to appear legitimate through deceit and subterfuge. I want no king but King Jesus, who said "you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free." Jesus was truly libertarian, the standard for moral leadership. It's too bad more church-goers don't actually follow him as they are praising him. We could change the world!
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2007-04-09 02:24
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Entered by: Ed Price
"Eye of NEWT"

Here is the well-known incantation of the Three Witches in Shakespeare's Macbeth, 1605:

Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and cauldron bubble.

Second Witch:
Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of NEWT, and toe of frog,
Wool of bat, and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork, and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg, and howlet's wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.

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2007-04-08 12:58
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Entered by: Philly Dave
Oh how I long for the small government days of the Clinton Administration. An insane thought made possible by Newt and his so called fiscal conservatives.

Now he wants patriotism classes for others? Could Americans be so stupid ... don't answer that.

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2007-04-08 11:47
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Entered by: Morpheus
Dear Mayor Rick Baker, mayor@stpete.org Phone 727-893-7111
You and your goons make me sick! I just got done watching the fox news video about how you heartlessly destroyed these peoples HOMES on youtube.com I almost threw up I was so upset. You and your police officers should have your homes burned to the ground. I am dismayed that you are so heartless and malevolent. Surely GOD will have a fitting place for you to wail and gnash your teeth for an eternity. May GOD have mercy on your soul.
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11-28-2005
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2007-04-08 11:44
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Entered by: Ernest Hancock
It is this concept that the Freedom Movement will eventually have to deal with. Very good article to think about.
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11-28-2005
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2007-04-08 10:33
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Entered by: Jefferson Paine
I've been saying the same thing for quite some time. As examples of the success of pressing the moral case, I use Gandhi's pacifist movement in India (which embarrassed the English into improving their treatment of Indians) and the civil rights movement of the '60s, in which lawmakers were embarrassed into giving minorities equal treatment under the law.
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2007-04-08 09:08
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Entered by: Fascist Nation
Actually, I had a few questions. One was the above on length of time. But, how many arrests were made that night for DUI?

How many were transported to a Scottsdale ER where blood was drawn by a doctor who can be forbidden by the patient from revealing the results, as opposed to transported to a police van, where they can be forcibly strapped into a chair and a policeman "trained" as a phlebotomist (person who draws blood) will jab a needle into their arm, neck or other source of veins and take their blood without warrant or permission of the driver?

Now in fairness, I wouldn't be prosecuting this girl or any others in similar circumstances in the first place. But, King's men (or their families) indeed.

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2007-04-08 08:57
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Entered by: Fascist Nation
Amen.

We force educate or at least warehouse them for 5 to 9 hours a day.

We "teach" to the pace of the least able among them. And then perhaps repeat the lesson a couple of times.

We give them prestige awards for accomplishing little other than being present. Maybe hand out a bumper sticker advertising the school for the parent's car.

We drug them. Force them to comply.

And we terrorize them to conformity. Regimented practically from birth to follow the rules made by those far more powerful than them. School yard bullies indeed ... adult ones.

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2007-04-08 08:49
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Entered by: Fascist Nation
So Newt has a new Contract With America. The old one was certainly successful (Thanks Frank (Lutz)) ... for the Republicans.

It ushered them into control of both houses of Congress. Weak control of the Senate, that would firm up two years later. So those fiscally conservative Republicans were finally in charge and going to bring about those promises they made if only they ruled over the Democrats.

Of course they voted on the ten provisions of the "Contract." Maybe passed weakened versions of two or three provisions, which made for great photo ops of "Promises made, promises kept." Proceeded to ignore the provisions they passed ... "Mr. Speaker, I rise to ask the suspension of House rules ...." And the greatest spending ever accomplished in our nations history, even adjusted for inflation proceeds at a merry pace for 12 years of debt, to the tune of $600,000 per person in our nation. That amount continues to grow.

So after 12 years of Republican betrayal. After it has become clear the two major parties represent nothing more than two sides of the same coin (The Washington Party). The Gingrich is back with a new Contract.

We haven't paid for the last one. So we can't afford the new one.

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2007-04-08 08:14
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Entered by: Alice Lillie
Sorry??? Of course she is only 13 and was undoubtedly intimidated and I am an adult. But had I received this treatment not only would I be freaking glad I did it but would do it again and again and again. This isn't right these school arrests. I have been reading about arrests of children as young as 6. No good can come of this except possibly an awareness on the part of kids and parents that the policeman is no longer a friend.
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2007-04-08 02:26
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Entered by: simariah
Hey how about "we stay the course" as said over and over and over again by President Bush. Dumb Dumb Dumb !!!! Get them out of there how many more lives do we have to lose ???
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2007-04-08 02:24
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Entered by: Ernest Hancock
Remember a few years ago when the City Manager for Glendale, Az. was stopped and charged for DUI after attending the Phoenix Open? He never served any time and that was _after_ he was convicted. All The King's Men indeed.
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2007-04-08 02:14
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Entered by: simariah
Who gives a crap what it cost them. Nobody asked them to be there and in the short run we pay for anyway it comes out our taxes so tell them to go home and do something else with their time so we can have peaceful protests. The only time protests get out of control is when the cops are involed anyway i.e Pittsburgh recruiting office. People wake up before it is to late.
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2007-04-08 01:31
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Entered by: Morpheus
Awe, isn't that convenient for the poor little daddy's girl. Of course she didn't get ANY special treatment by her daddy's officers. And then waiting to just long enough for her to be under the legal limit. I am sure that her father wasn't even notified that his little angel was in the hands of those big bad officers. Give me a break.
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2007-04-08 01:02
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Entered by: Philly Dave
As if Trans Fats were not enough, NY turns it attention to the War on foreskins.
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2007-04-07 04:24
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Entered by: Jefferson Paine
This story omits the most important fact of all: the amount of time elapsed between the two tests. If they waited long enough, the lower second reading would be simply because she had burned off some of the alcohol in her blood.
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2007-04-06 10:45
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Entered by: Fascist Nation
They have the guns and the will to use them. They have the courts and the pretense of law, and rule of law which is really the rule BY law.

You can make all the legal claims you want, but it is THEIR laws and rules, and they interpret and enforce them in whatever manner is convenient FOR THEM. In whatever manner is most profitable for them.

Play their game, in their theater and you will always lose. As long as you know that going in, and are willing to face the price, fine.

Expect justice, however, and you will eventually have a stunned look of surprise on your face, as those who deliver it go home after a days work and sleep well that night having done their job ... on you.

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2007-04-06 10:38
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Entered by: Fascist Nation
I meant to add that in addition to Judaism, there are some African tribes that practice circumcision at adolescence as a ceremonial right of passage into manhood. And this might have been studied.
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2007-04-06 10:35
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Entered by: Fascist Nation
I did not read the single study done of African men who were and were not circumcised and their incidence of HIV infection. But I was aware of the study.

I suspect few Africans are circumcised unless they are Jewish. And I suspect being Jewish, as opposed to being circumcised, may have more to do with a difference in HIV infection. At least it must be eliminated as causation of a correlation.

Either way, His Honor continues to delight me with more and more loopiness from NY City. I guess if you are a billionaire, you can be certifiable AND electable.

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2007-04-06 07:53
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Entered by: Xocxoc
According to a new British study, circumcision removes some of the most sensitive parts of the penis. In other words, when it comes to sex, circumcised men are missing out. Funny that this isn't getting reported, but the AIDS study is.
http://www.nerve.com/dispatches/festa/howinsensitive/
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2007-04-06 05:31
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Entered by: Alice Lillie
Outrageous. But not unusual any more. Why are we pretending to be a free country when the government can steal from the have nots and give to the haves? It is even worse than the other way around, a lot worse. I would like to go down there and personally give each of them a tent.
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2007-04-04 11:57
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Entered by: M. Burgin
Should Archaeology Make You Doubt the Bible?

Archaeology is of interest today because it is a valuable tool in the investigation of man's past. For example, through it the geography and history of the Bible lands and their peoples are clarified. It relies heavily on the exact sciences and aims to achieve their standard of accuracy. But there is one principal factor working against such achievement—the human factor. Every archaeologist has beliefs, whether he or she be atheist, agnostic, Christian, Jew or Muslim. To what extent will those beliefs or preconceived ideas influence his or her interpretations? Could this hinder their arriving at accurate conclusions?

Archaeological research is a form of detective work. Circumstantial evidence, in the form of artifacts and remains (pottery, fragments, ruins, debris from previous civilizations, skeletons and the like), is dug up. Then the deduction phase begins: What was the original from which the fragment came? Into which time period could its shape, color and composition be fitted? What was its use? What was its place of origin—the location where it was discovered or somewhere else? Did it originate in the soil stratum in which it was found or has it sunk into a lower level with the passing of time due to local conditions? These and many other factors can influence an interpretation. The conclusions are therefore based on circumstantial evidence and a mixture of objective and subjective interpretation.

How right the Hebrew archaeologist Yohanan Aharoni was when he wrote: "When it comes to historical or historio-geographical interpretation, the archaeologist steps out of the realm of the exact sciences, and he must rely upon value judgements and hypotheses [tentative assumptions] to arrive at a comprehensive historical picture."

Take for example the Israelite exodus from Egypt and escape through the Red Sea. The Bible record clearly indicates that the Egyptian chariots and cavalry pursued Israel and got close to them as they reached the Red Sea. How could the Israelites escape with the sea blocking their path? The Bible account answers:

"Moses now stretched his hand out over the sea; and Jehovah began making the sea go back [how?] by a strong east wind all night long and converting the sea basin into dry ground, and the waters were being split apart. At length the sons of Israel went through the midst of the sea on dry land, while the waters were a wall to them on their right hand and on their left."—Exodus 14:21, 22.

Please note the specific details of this account. It speaks not just of a strong wind but of a "strong east wind." The waters were split apart, converting the sea basin into dry ground. This attention to detail bespeaks an eyewitness account, even as does the poetic version of the event in the song of Moses, related in Exodus chapter 15. As Pharaoh's chariots and military forces rushed into the same gap in pursuit of the Israelites, "the surging waters proceeded to cover them; down they went into the depths like a stone."—Exodus 15:5.

The method of parting the waters is confirmed in the song: "And by a breath from your nostrils waters were heaped up; they stood still like a dam of floods; the surging waters were congealed in the heart of the sea."—Exodus 15:8.

Are Christians to believe that major portions of the Bible are just 'literary masterpieces' with no relationship to "factual experience"? Or can they rely on the Bible as the inspired Word of God? Should we be swayed by the conflicting theories of archaeologists and scholars? Or should we accept as reliable the testimony of the Bible writers and Jesus Christ himself?

The apostle Paul wrote to his fellow Christian Timothy: "From infancy you have known the holy writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through the faith in connection with Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial . . . for setting things straight." Earlier, to the believers in Rome, he stated: "What, then, is the case? If some did not express faith, will their lack of faith perhaps make the faithfulness of God without effect? Never may that happen! But let God be found true, though every man be found a liar."—2 Timothy 3:15, 16; Romans 3:3, 4.

Why, then, do Christians believe the Bible to be inspired? Does their faith depend on archaeological findings? Briefly, the proof for inspiration is found in the Bible itself, not in archaeology. It is one thing to write accurate history; it is another to write accurate history in advance. That is prophecy. The Bible contains hundreds of fulfilled prophecies attesting to its divine authorship. For example, it has been estimated that 332 distinct prophecies of the Hebrew Scriptures were fulfilled in Jesus Christ alone.

Another powerful support of the Bible's authenticity is that its testimony is based on accounts supplied by actual eyewitnesses of the events, often the writer himself. This is the case with the Exodus account written by Moses. Do we have any reason to doubt his honesty as a witness? No, not when we also acknowledge that he was divinely inspired to write. (2 Timothy 3:16) His self-critical candor is also a fine testimony to his reliability. He does not hide the fact that he killed an Egyptian in defense of a fellow Israelite. Nor does he gloss over his lack of humility and his punishment when he called water from the rock. (Exodus 2:11, 12; Numbers 20:9-13; compare the case of David in 2 Samuel 11; Psalm 51.)

Christians are encouraged by the positive evidence unearthed by patient and skilled archaeologists, evidence that often confirms and elucidates the Bible's contents. Facts and artifacts can tell us a lot about the way of life in ancient times. Inscriptions can bring to bear valuable information. Of course, since very few people ever write an unfavorable autobiography, inscriptions have to be analyzed with great care.

So Christians do not expect absolute proof from archaeology for everything stated in the Bible.

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2007-04-04 09:47
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Archaeologist are mostly looking in the wrong place for evidences of the Exodus and the Red Sea parting. First, the Red Sea didn't necessarily part because of any physical happening in the nature since God is the one who made it happen. Second, see http://www.baseinstitute.org/Sinai_1.html , http://www.baseinstitute.org/Sinai_2.html , and http://www.baseinstitute.org/Sinai_3.html .
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2007-04-04 09:34
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Entered by: Ed Price
The IRS is the collections agency for the Social Security system.

Social Security is voluntary, but you didn't know that - or all kinds of other things you were agreeing to when you signed the SS application.

Standard commercial law says that you can declare an agreement null and void from its inception if you didn't understand all the points of the agreement.

If you don't like the IRS tax, find out what you didn't know about SS when you joined, and then void the application for lack of full disclosure on the part of the SS Administration.

No SSN = no IRS tax. See http://www.supremelaw.org/rsrc/alert.htm .

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04-04-2007
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2007-04-03 11:15
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Entered by: Ernest Hancock
This is an article in progress that shouldn't be posted yet but we can't get it down :)
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2007-04-03 02:31
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Entered by: hatchcar
The person doing the interview was Tom Andrews, who is a former Congressman himself from Maine.