The Technocracy Movement was a student cult that started at Columbia University in in the 1930s. At the time it rivaled communism, fascism, socialism and all the other "isms" that idealists of the day would engage in. From America, Technocracy would spread to other parts of the world and notably Canada where its head, Dr. Joshua Haldeman, was Elon Musk's grandfather. The movement proposed that society be reorganized on a series of "scientific propositions", a replacement system for democracy and free enterprise.

In Technocracy Rising, Patrick Wood argues that many of the ideas of this movement were taken up by many US policy makers and notably Zbigniew Brzezinski – President Jimmy Carter's Secretary of State. I sat down with Patrick Wood for a conversation on this system and its shortcomings.