And hearing these things come out of the mouth of someone who seems so, so normal and sobering, the way he talks about it is a real dichotomy," Abrahams continued. "Like I said, it disarms you and it leaves you open to actually just listening to him as another human being, not  as one might think of a quack or a charlatan or someone who's unbalanced. Because right away you see that he's not, and you just tend to take him more seriously and the story more seriously."