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01-15-21 -- Robert Michael - James Bovard - Stewart Rhodes (MP3s)

Robert Michael on private estate trusts - James Bovard (Libertarian Author; Writer) on what's in store for 2021, Trump/Biden, lockdowns/mandates, etc... - Stewart Rhodes (Oath Keepers) on second amendment in Biden admin, predictions for 2021, D.C. ri
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Guests: Robert Michael, ,
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Guests: James Bovard, ,
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Guests: Stewart Rhodes, ,

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Media Type: Audio • Time: 186 Minutes and 0 Secs
Guests: Robert Michael, ,

Hour 1 - Robert Michael on private estate trusts

Hour 2 - James Bovard (Libertarian Author; Writer) on what's in store for 2021, Trump/Biden, lockdowns/mandates, etc...

Hour 3 - Stewart Rhodes (Oath Keepers) on second amendment in Biden admin, predictions for 2021, D.C. riots, mandates/lockdowns, etc...


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Hour 1

Robert Michael

Private Estate Trusts -

Robert Michael comes from a humble background being born and raised in a blue-collar family in southern New Jersey where he started finish carpentry at age 13 with his father. At the age of 19, Robert moved to Baltimore where he spent 21 years educating himself in music and other subjects of interest while continuing his work as a carpenter. Robert became a contractor at age 22 and followed the typical American workforce and family protocol.

His journey of purpose began in 2009 after the 2008 housing market tanked taking his father's business and his parent's home with it. This incident led his parents to research on the internet that opened their eyes to many conspiracy theories. Robert began by first turning his head and not wanting to hear any of it. But all that changed and being one that needs deep validation, Robert began searching for the truth behind the theories.


Robert joined a group called The Restore America Project which was based on the theory of restoring America's original republic by forming de jure grand juries with members in all 50 states. As he would soon learn with all groups he encountered, in fighting began and disunity set in. To quell the fighting, Robert believed that if this group was truly about restoring the common law, then he wanted to know all there was about that law structure to solve the problem and dove heavily into researching the history and procedures of common law.


Robert got to the heart of The Restore America Project and found it to be inauthentic and immediately left the group but not after acquiring a new passion for truth, research and a solid base knowledge of the law by studying court process and procedure, state and federal code, the four organic documents of the United States and the United States of America, the statutes at large, numerous treatises, ecclesiastic law and anything he could get his hands on.


Robert discovered the power and influence of the Vatican and felt he had reached the end of his "hope rope" as he believed they had too much power to be overcome by the laypeople of the world. Shortly thereafter and out of the blue, his mother asked if he would join her and his father at a seminar in Virginia to listen to James Thomas McBride speak about his experience and accomplishments with overcoming the Vatican grip. Not one to fall for pie in the sky patriot for profit schemes, Robert declined offering to look at any paperwork they might bring back. When they returned and Robert read the paperwork for the Divine Province constructed under the Seal of St. Peter, everything in his being was on fire and his hair stood on end as he realized the potential in what he was reading from all his past research. That is when Robert's life changed forever and from that point forward all his experiences can only be explained as divine orchestration.


It was not enough to study law and legal theory without applying it, so Robert volunteered to help anyone in need of assistance with a legal matter so he could put his legal theories to the test. Robert entered the Montgomery County Maryland Circuit court as "unlicensed" counsel for members of the Divine Province that were being railroaded by the judicial system. His theory required 12 witnesses and he as counsel. The court was a testing ground to see what was going to occur. Robert became the focus rather than the defendants of course due to his status as an "unlicensed" counsel. However, Robert effectively stripped the judge of authority and proved his theories before it was all said and done. This was the beginning of exposing the most enormous fraud on earth, the economic slavery of every man, woman and child on earth save for the few elite in control of it all.

Robert repeated this process in other courtrooms in Maryland and in New Jersey proving his theories by standing in superiority to the Roman Curia and the courts of all countries under their grip. This caught the attention of the head organizer of the Divine Province, James Thomas McBride and the two quickly began working together as James saw the incredible things Robert was doing with James' documents. By that time, the Vatican had taken notice, yet they did not take any action against it. In the summer of 2013, James Thomas McBride decided to support the people of the city of Detroit Michigan and object to the city's bankruptcy as it is truly one of the human economic slavery tools used against the people who are the creditors to ALL nations.

The events that took place after James and Robert entered the hearing are nothing short of an unbelievable tale of hidden power, an exposé of evil, demonization of the truth and a spiritual tango between good and evil that leave many skeptical as to the true effect of Robert and James' efforts yet there are witnesses to it all. November 1, 2013 Robert was arrested in front of his seven-year-old son by six U.S. Marshals at gun point in a grocery store parking lot for an alleged crime out of a state he had never stepped foot in. It was a clear retaliation yet a frame job unrelated to the Detroit Bankruptcy exposure. Robert spent the next 5 months fighting extradition to South Carolina but was eventually sent there in April of 2014 then released on an ankle bracelet conditioned to stay in South Carolina. He then hired an attorney and finally went home to Maryland in June but still on bond until his trial that never came to be.


Robert never had a hearing for his alleged crime, yet they kept him on bond for two years. Robert continued studying to make sure he learned how to prevent this from ever happening again. He dove heavy into researching estate law, trust law, commercial law and negotiable instruments, titles, deeds, public recording and more until all roads led him to the root of the entire economic slave system, the registration of birth.

In the spring of 2016, he put together a legal theory and issued his birth certificate to a probate judge in Maryland appointing the judge trustee ordering him to settle all debts. On the back of the certificate, he paid it to the order of the Maryland Treasury and three days later his case in South Carolina was dismissed. However, two months went by before Robert actually discovered his case was dismissed as he was never notified. Oddly, his attorney did not inform him, the bond company did not inform him, and the state did not inform him. He found out his case was dismissed by checking the case online two months after it was dismissed.

He immediately called his attorney who revealed, "I've never seen anything like this". He then called the bond company who admitted the same thing adding, "I guess you're free to go!" In disbelief, Robert went back through his mailing evidence and that is when he realized the Maryland probate judge had received his order and birth certificate made into a financial instrument just three days prior to the dismissal.


            Robert helped friends and family with various legal issues resolving them peacefully in and out of court and began drafting trusts for clients to protect themselves and their property. He then moved to Florida as a silent partner in a business that used Robert's knowledge and legal skills to discharge millions of dollars in alleged credit card debt for company clients. Meanwhile, Robert back engineered his birth certificate process to make sure it was correct while continuing his research to try to come up with a clear-cut way to free people from the slave system. That's when started his first effort and website called Truth and Trust.


            Robert visited Sedona Arizona in August and a month later moved to Flagstaff Arizona where he continued his Truth and Trust business educating people on how to live life in the private side of the system jurisdiction as opposed to the public slavery side. He continued helping people with their legal issues as well as performing ongoing legal research.


            The debt business Robert was silently partnered in began to flounder, so he moved back to Florida to help prop it up. From there he continued his work and created Unity of Divine Creation Ministry to teach people the spiritual side of true freedom. He remained in Florida until October 2019 when he closed Truth and Trust and started REM Private Management, a business geared towards helping people establish their private status and protecting their property from state and federal jurisdiction overreach.


            Robert left Florida to travel around the country visiting associates and friends eventually landing in Montana for the Holidays where he built the REM Private Management website and once again began handling all kinds of legal issues but in a much more unified fashion than in previous endeavors. It was all about birth registration and the fraud perpetrated on humanity at this point.


            Robert continued exposing the truth of the global human slavery scheme but not out in the public as he learned in 2013 that is not the way to do it if one wants to continue making a real difference without being shut down. His principles are based on peace and good estate business rather than fighting battles in courtrooms or attempting to hold corrupt officials liable in their own system of laws. Robert has learned to dismantle corruption by using the law to rip authority out from the grip of the those who feel they have power to roll right over the people. He has discovered one main problem with bad actors they cannot seem to fix. That problem is their compartmentalized system does not allow them to know all Robert has learned about the entire machine with all its moving parts and therefore at some point they are always left holding liability which they will do anything not to have.

At age 45 Robert continues his larger-than-life humanitarian work today refining his theory to get it to a point where people can educate themselves through his private website and begin to sever the bands that bind them to their slave masters once and for all. With is endless optimism and extreme hyper focus, he continues to work toward the goal of a free society based on spiritual law and cooperation that will become a new nation. A society that functions for the benefit of the society not for the benefit of a few. He is intuitively connected and has a fearless undaunted faith that all will be just as it was meant to be as he passionately believes God will provide all that we need when we need it.

Hour 2

Media Type: Audio • Time: 52 Minutes and 12 Secs
Guests: James Bovard, ,

Hour 2 - James Bovard (Libertarian Author; Writer) on what's in store for 2021, Trump/Biden, lockdowns/mandates, etc...


Hour 2

James Bovard

Libertarian Author

Webpage: JimBovard.Com

James Bovard is the author of ten books, including Public Policy Hooligan (2012), Attention Deficit Democracy (2006), The Bush Betrayal (2004), and Lost Rights: The Destruction of American Liberty (1994). He has written for the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Playboy, Washington Post, New Republic, Reader's Digest, and many other publications. His books have been translated into Spanish, Arabic, Japanese, and Korean. He is a contributing editor for American Conservative magazine and The Freeman and a regular contributor to the Future of Freedom magazine.

The Wall Street Journal called Bovard "the roving inspector general of the modern state," the New York Times tagged him "an anti-czar Czar," and Washington Post columnist George Will called him a "one-man truth squad." His 1994 book Lost Rights received the Free Press Association's Mencken Award as Book of the Year. His Terrorism and Tyranny won the Lysander Spooner Award for the Best Book on Liberty in 2003. He received the Thomas Szasz Award for Civil Liberties work, awarded by the Center for Independent Thought, and the Freedom Fund Award from the Firearms Civil Rights Defense Fund of the National Rifle Association.

His writings have been publicly denounced by the chief of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Secretary of Labor, the Secretary of Agriculture, the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, the Postmaster General, and the chiefs of the U.S. International Trade Commission, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, U.S. Agency for International Development, the Drug Enforcement Administration, and the Federal Emergency Management Agency, as well as by the Sierra Club, the American Civil Liberties Union, and the Washington Post.

Show notes:

1. Congressional Hypocrisy and the Crackdown

James Bovard  – January 13, 2021

The political hysteria unleashed by last week's clash at the Capitol between police and Trump protestors poses a growing danger to Americans' constitutional rights. Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer ludicrously compared the ruckus to Pearl Harbor – a "day of infamy." Schumer complained that the "temple to democracy was desecrated… our offices vandalized" and that rioters were able to "stalk these hallowed halls." Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) compared an incursion that broke some windows and furniture with the 1814 British invasion that torched the Capitol. 

The pro-Trump mob should not have charged into the Capitol. President Donald Trump should not have fired them up with absurd claims that he won the election "by a landslide." Even conservative firebrand Ann Coulter declared that "it was assholic [for Trump] to tell a crowd of thousands to march to the capitol." Trump lawyer Rudolph Giuliani should never have called for a "trial by combat" when addressing Trump supporters. Once the protestors charged into the Capitol, Trump should have speedily called for an end to the confrontation. 

Trump deserves much of the blame for the Capitol chaos. But the debacle would have been far less without blundering by congressional leadership and their small army of protectors. A Washington Post analysis of the "disastrous failure" by Capitol Police noted, "Security at the Capitol building is controlled by Congress itself." The Capitol Police have an annual budget of almost half a billion dollars and two thousand officers – equal to the entire police forces of Cleveland or Atlanta. Video showed police standing back as people thronged inside the Capitol. The Post noted, " One image posted on social media showed an officer taking a selfie with one of the intruders, and a video seemed to show officers opening the security fence to let Trump supporters closer."

Politicians have been tripling the supposed threat they faced every 24 hours since last Wednesday. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) said on Sunday, "We came close to half of the House nearly dying" from the attackers. The only person who was shot at the Capitol was a 35-year-old Air Force female veteran who was killed by a Capitol policeman. Fortunately, none of the protestors showed the homicidal intent akin to the Illinois man who shot four Republican congressmen in 2017 with a semi-automatic rifle at a softball field in Alexandria, Virginia. One policeman was killed when he was dragged into a mob and beaten, and a 34-year-old female Trump supporter was reportedly trampled to death in the clash between police and protestors. Another Trump supporter died of a heart attack and another protestor died of a stroke.  

Rather than Pearl Harbor or a British invasion, last Wednesday's ruckus was Lese Majeste, complete with a dude dressed like the Grand Poobah from Fred Flintstone cartoons. Many of the protestors looked like people who simply wanted to stomp their feet, shout, and take some selfies to show friends on social media what they did in Washington.  

But politicians' sense of impunity took a walloping as they received no deference on their home field. President-elect Biden said that the protestors' action was "an assault on the citadel of liberty: the Capitol itself…. An assault on the rule of law like few times we've ever seen it." But rather than a "citadel of liberty," the Capitol is the locale where politicians have negligently authorized endless assaults on the liberties of average Americans and the lives of uncounted victims around the world. 

Contrast the violence that lawmakers suffered with the violence that their laws have inflicted. Most of the Trump protestors were less destructive than SWAT teams carrying out a no-knock raid – as happens thousands of times a year in American neighborhoods across the land. These attacks have been aided by a profusion of military-style equipment provided by Congress and federal agencies, as well as by the Justice Department constantly championing the legal prerogatives of law enforcement to use deadly force in almost any situation. An ACLU report characterized SWAT raids as "violent events: numerous (often 20 or more) officers armed with assault rifles and grenades approach a home, break down doors and windows (often causing property damage), and scream for the people inside to get on the floor (often pointing their guns at them)." Failure to instantly submit to SWAT raiders can be a capital offense. A New York Times investigation found that "at least 81 civilians and 13 law enforcement officers died in raids from 2010 through 2016. Scores of others were maimed or wounded." The vast majority of members of Congress have ignored the perennial police carnage they helped bankroll around the nation. 

Dozens of protestors have already been charged with "unlawful entry" for stepping foot onto the sacred ground of the Capitol. Some protestors said that they were not aware they were prohibited from entering the building. Prosecutors are rushing to charge private citizens with a crime for which federal agents are practically immune. In 1984, the Supreme Court entitled government agents to intrude onto private land without a search warrant as long as they did not venture into areas where individuals were involved in "intimate activities" (i.e., nudist camps). "No Trespassing" signs no longer applied to G-men. The same court decision unleashed government helicopters to buzz low over any private land they chose to investigate – no warrant needed. (Private helicopter operators who perform the same trick over federal buildings are entitled to front-page obituaries.)

President-elect Joe Biden condemned the protestors storming the Capitol who had deigned to "occupy offices" and were "rummaging through desks… it's an insurrection." A few congressional offices did have their filing cabinets opened and plundered. But where was the umbrage on Capitol Hill when the National Security Agency vacuumed up millions of Americans' emails? Where was the outrage when Edward Snowden exposed NSA documents showing that the agency turns its surveillance dynamos on anyone "searching the web for suspicious stuff"? Thanks to lavish congressional appropriations, the NSA continues devouring Americans' privacy. 

Nor did the clashes last week compare to the violence that Congress has authorized by U.S. military forces, which are now engaged in combat in 14 nations. Most members of Congress could probably not even name half of the nations where U.S. troops are fighting. After four U.S. soldiers were killed in Niger in 2017, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Schumer admitted they did not know that a thousand U.S. troops were deployed to that African nation. Graham, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, admitted, "We don't know exactly where we're at in the world militarily and what we're doing." Washington Post columnist David Ignatius in 2017 proudly cited an estimate from a "knowledgeable official" that "CIA-backed fighters may have killed or wounded 100,000 Syrian soldiers and their allies over the past four years." Syria has taken no hostile action against the U.S. but few members of Congress have taken any responsibility for the carnage inflicted by the Biden-Trump intervention in the Syrian Civil War. No evidence has surfaced thus far linking Syrians to any broken windows in the Capitol. 

The protestors who swarmed the Capitol were far less disruptive than the blockades that the US government has imposed on Syria, Venezuela, Iran, and other nations. US Navy ships are ready to intercede even medical supplies to those nations whose governments have raised the ire of Washington policymakers. There have been no press reports so far indicating that protestors stopped congressional offices from getting resupplied with Perrier. 

In the wake of the clashes at the Capitol, Democrats are calling for a sweeping new "domestic terrorism" law that could profoundly restrict Americans' freedom of speech and association. Many politicians have called for charging the Trump protestors with sedition – as if a ragtag mob that bumbled into a federal building and often stayed within the velvet rope lines designating paths for visitors was a bona fide threat. Sedition quickly becomes the equivalent of political heresy, spurring prosecutions that turn into witch hunts. There are already more than enough criminal laws and the feds should concentrate on discovering and vigorously prosecuting the individuals who attacked police – not on the nonviolent Trump fans who peacefully left the Capitol after a brief occupation. 

Shortly before the protestors forced their way into the Capitol, Mitch McConnell declared that American democracy could go into a "death spiral of democracy" if the 2020 election result was not accepted. McConnell warned that challenging the 2020 election would mean "every four years would be a scramble for power at any cost." He also said that "self-government requires a shared commitment to the truth." But the mob violence at the Capitol may signal that the death spiral is already here. Elections have already become a scramble for power at any cost and few politicians seem to give a damn about the truth.

Rep. Tom Malinowski (D-NJ) condemned Wednesday's protestors: "If you just feed this beast in an effort to appease it, it just gets stronger and bolder until it comes after the very people who are trying to appease it." But it is possible to condemn both the protestors who rampaged in the Capitol and the career politicians whose perennial abuses have destroyed Americans' faith in the federal government.

It would be especially unwise to confuse last week's buffoonery with a bona fide coup attempt – which could happen if Washington continues disdaining too many angry Americans.

2. New article out this morn causing a stir -

Washington Post quoted me today on the dangers of a crackdown on domestic terrorism -

James Bovard, a libertarian author who has written for years about law enforcement overreach, warned about the potential pitfalls of anti-terror legislation that empowers law enforcement. "I'm very concerned about the use of a broad brush, assuming that anyone who criticized or raised doubts about the 2020 election should be charged with sedition, if not treason," he said. "Another problem here is that, since 2016 or so, many liberals have put a halo over the head of the FBI. They have lost the historical memory, and the common sense, that liberals often had in the past when asked if they wanted to give blank checks to federal agents."

Hour 3

Media Type: Audio • Time: 75 Minutes and 20 Secs
Guests: Stewart Rhodes, ,

Hour 3 - Stewart Rhodes (Oath Keepers) on second amendment in Biden admin, predictions for 2021, D.C. riots, mandates/lockdowns, etc...


Hour 3

Stewart Rhodes


Stewart is the founder and Director of Oath Keepers. He served as a U.S. Army paratrooper until disabled in a rough terrain parachuting accident during a night jump.

He is a former firearms instructor and former member of Rep. Ron Paul's DC staff.

Stewart previously wrote the monthly Enemy at the Gates column for S.W.A.T. Magazine

Stewart graduated from Yale Law School in 2004, where his paper "Solving the Puzzle of Enemy Combatant Status" won Yale's Miller prize for best paper on the Bill of Rights. He assisted teaching U.S. military history at Yale, was a Yale Research Scholar, and is writing a book on the dangers of applying the laws of war to the American people.

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