The man who posts explanatory threads on social media under the pseudonym Wokal Distance sat down for an interview with Jan Jekeilek, host of EpochTV's American Thought Leaders program, on March 5.

Distance said a sign that people are starting to see the flaws in woke ideology is that mainstream comedians are making jokes about their ideas.

"Humor exposes it, making fun of it exposes it. … The reason why the left made fun of Bush so much is because the best way to take the social power out of something is to mock it," he said, referring to former President George W. Bush.

"The social justice, branding, and packaging of 'We just want to be tolerant and kind and caring,' that held for a long time," Distance said. "But now that people are getting to have a look at what's inside the social justice box and what they actually believe, people are beginning to see it for what it is."

Distance said that inside the "social justice box," there is a cynical attempt to guilt people into giving revolutionists and critical theorists power and clout, and that "they now realize that they were browbeaten and morally scolded and shamed into giving people the benefit of the doubt."