President Barack Obama, lying outright in an televised interview on the Public Broadcasting System (PBS) Monday,  claimed the U.S. is spying only on foreign citizens.

In an interview with Charlie Rose, Obama said “if you’re a U.S. person, then NSA is not listening to your phone calls and it’s not targeting your emails” but records show the NSA is, in fact, monitoring phone calls and emails of millions of Americans around the clock.

Obama qualified his claim by saying Americans are not targeted “unless it’s getting an individualized court order,” an interesting qualification since such orders are sealed not available for public scrutiny or investigation.

But the NSA did not need court orders to record phone calls of any and all customers of wireless phone giants like Verizon or to collect millions of emails sent through Google.

Obama tired to dismiss the situation as no big deal.