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Comment by Mike Chavez
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Since you do not understand what government is, you arrive at an errant thesis. Government is a group of men that issue violence upon society in order to accomplish their aims...whatever those aims may be and regardless of the legal device they use to organize themselves. Government is not: Infrastructure (roads, water systems, etc...) Services (fire department, schools, courts) Law or any other thing the government would prefer you believe them to be. Government is militant group of men that occupy society in order to control and extract our wealth. They merely pay for these services to buy your docile obedience. I'm sorry sir, but we have plenty of government on this continent.

 


Comment by tittiger
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You should not publish pieces without the authors email being clearly posted!
This guy has it ass backwards.  We have way way too much criminal government.
Stateless? Is he on drugs or what? 

It would be nice to have a little bit of lawful government by comparison but to any sane person
we have way to much criminal government.
 


Comment by Wayne Fazio
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The government is a coercive monopoly. Nothing like a business where a business has to earn it's money. Government forces you to do business with it and at a price of it's choosing. Why anyone would support this system is beyond me. Maybe its because we are force to support it.


Comment by PureTrust
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I probably won't be saying it much better here but, the reason that we support government is because of what is found here:. Despite the heaven-like world that we all dream of living in, we don't have it.

All Tom is trying to do is to get us to realize that we don't have Government right now. We have "GANG." If we had Government, GANG would be put in its place and we all would have a life more like the heaven-like world that we dream of living in.

Now, let me go one slight step beyond what Tom is saying. GANG is, itself, a form of Government in its own right (or wrong). Even the Mafia has government among its families.

Try removing government in some form from your personal family. If you have teenage kids at home, and you don't have family Government, you have a disfunctional family. The question isn't Government or not. The question is what kind of limited Government? And, how do we put it in place?


Comment by Tom W.
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Wyne Fazio, tittiger,  Mike Chavez - thank you for taking the bait--hook on!

The problem is in the definition of 'government'. Because all we have ever known is this current form of 'government' this is how we define the word. But this is only because of our limited experience. By definition according to the founding document of this country the Declaration of Independence: "That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed" our 'government' must meet two conditions. First, it must have the consent of the governed, and second, it must have the sole purpose of securing the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. By referring to this corporate gang of thugs, as a 'government' you are agreeing to those two terms and giving them way too much credibility.

If you expand your thinking to include the definition of government to mean public servants chosen by and among the people, (minus Diebold machines), who are dedicated to protecting peoples life, liberty, and property and operating with explicit consent of the people, you'll understand my definition of 'government'. People have been programed to hate the very thing that could save them from tyranny (a 'government' instituted among men by defined by the declaration of independence).


Comment by Tom W.
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Wayne Fazio - nearly everything the de facto corporation ('government' as some call it) does to interact with us is contractual in nature. Yes there is coercion and fraud involved, but mostly due to the ignorance and complicity of the sheeple. Example: drivers license, registration, permits, income tax, etc.


Comment by PureTrust
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The problem with re-seating the original United States of America - the one that George Washington and the gang set in place - is that it is the same one that got us into the trouble that we are in now!

If we go to all the trouble of putting it into power again, how are we going to change it to assure ourselves that this same thing doesn't happen again? You know the thing I mean? The United States Government as it exists now.

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